• Facebook
  • Instagram
  • Pinterest
  • Snapchat
  • Twitter
  • YouTube
  • Skip to primary navigation
  • Skip to main content
  • Skip to primary sidebar

MsMarmiteLover

  • Food
    • Recipes
    • Vegetarian
    • Vegan
  • Travel
    • France
    • Italy
    • Spain
    • UK
  • Wine
  • Gardens
  • Supperclubs/Events
  • About
    • Press
    • Books
  • Shop
    • Cart

Trademarking the underground

November 19, 2009 2 Comments Filed Under: Uncategorized

Trademarking the underground

Friday I got a letter from lawyers for Transport for London. In 2008 they trademarked the word ‘underground’. To trademark something you pay £250 to the Patents office and an extra £50 for each category or section, ranging from cartoons and cassette players to jewellery, from jokebooks, parasols, christmas crackers and magnets to transportation of persons, animals, goods, valuables by air, sea, rail, underground rail ect. London Underground have trademarked everything in sight, including Section 43 which covers cafe, bar, restaurant, catering services. As far as I know they don’t use the catering category. If they fail to use it within five years I can make an application.
The letter spelled out that their client was anxious that my use of the words ‘The Underground Restaurant’

“is likely to be held to infringe the rights afforded by our client’s registration”It goes on to say “According to our internet research, you are using the mark The Underground Restaurant in relation to a restaurant operated from your home. Whilst it is appreciated that you are using the word ‘underground’ to convey a sense of secrecy, rather than the London Underground rail system, nevertheless our client is concerned that confusion could arise. …Client is also concerned that your use of The Underground Restaurant trade mark could be detrimental to our client’s brand. Clearly our client does not want such associations with its brand.”

Twitter responded, firstly in amazement (especially coming so soon after the Harry Notter debacle) and secondly with scorn and amusement.
twitawitch @MsMarmitelover That’s ridiculous. They going to sue Mike Batt for saying the word Undergound in the Wombles song too?
EssexEating @MsMarmitelover thats kind of thin……. How can they have a claim on the word ‘underground’?
montimer @msmarmitelover you’re kidding
joannasb @MsMarmitelover Really? Do they have a trademark on the word “underground”
jerrybarnett @MsMarmitelover No way… they can’t enforce the use of a generic word… I’m pretty sure but not a lawyer
rhodri @MsMarmitelover That’s ludicrous. You could rename it with a small “u” for underground, perhaps. They can’t stop that, surely.
chrispople @MsMarmitelover @londoneating @oliverthring Do they also have a claim on the word ‘London’? Idiots
WHampstead @MsMarmitelover surely they don’t have a leg to stand on there? You can’t trademark common words, and you’re not using their logo.
[email protected] Please do not use the word Oyster on your menu’s neither 🙂 joking aside that’s terrible
chrispople @MsMarmitelover You should reply that as your restaurant is friendly, value for money and comfortable the similarities are minimal
[email protected] that’s ridiculous. Have they registered ‘The Underground’ as a trade mark? Can there be any poss confusion betw u? Unlikely
[email protected] I’m thinking of suing you for using my middle name – Lover
handlewithcare @MsMarmitelover Ask them if you serve very late, strike for days for no reason,and charge extortionate amounts, if they’ll endorse you?
MaisonCupcake @MsMarmitelover That’s crazy. We have Oasis the shop, the band, the drink co-existing. What’s the difference?
[email protected] Mad. Make a big fuss.
[email protected] – Wonder if they have problems with the Underground Cookery School or LSE’s Underground bar? Ridiculous.
[email protected] Jeez – read that wrong. Have a word with Oli from London Underground Comics : http://londonundergroundcom…
(I did and he hadn’t had any problem with them…)
[email protected] You should write a book about all of this : What you didn’t know about Harry Potter’s food.
[email protected] did they complain at Jamiroquai with his Deeper Underground?? what piffle
[email protected] Hmm, seems mischievous to me; surely there’s no risk of passing off / confusion?
[email protected] if Apple/Apple Corps can co-exist, can’t you+LU? Obviously, you’d have to agree to not run (2nd rate) mass transit network.

[email protected] you could point out you work weekends which the Underground most definitely does not. See, no similarity at all.
[email protected] they could object to using a variation of their “roundel”, but no claim on “underground” in sense of secret or nonmainstream [email protected] dig in and think of the Underground Resistance Fighters……….
[email protected] Henry’s just suggested that London Underground sues You Tube for hijacking “tube”………!!
MsMarmitelover @damnyoudex What would Joan Collins do in this situation?!
[email protected] she would sit back with a glass of champagne& laugh at them. ‘Fools!’ she would shout.’ whilst dex massages her feet’.
[email protected] They’re just trying it on! Given that Underground is commonly used to mean hidden/ secret, it’s a push for them to claim it!
sosusie: I do not get how London Underground can force the change of name of @msmarmitelover’s The Underground Restaurant??? It’s RIDICULOUS. aargh.
[email protected] what? For real? What confusion? Do you have an LU logo outside, barriers at the door and a long escalator to the tables?
HubUK RT @MsMarmitelover: It’s getting to the point that I’m terrified to open the post.>>>> Are you sure MI5 aren’t on your case? Hard to believe [email protected] The only person any confusion could be detrimental to is you. I think everyone knows that!!
[email protected] They surely can’t restrict the use of the word underground. Contact Boris – sure he would put pompous jobs worths in place
SimonMagusRT @MsMarmitelover: got a letter from London Undergrounds solicitors.’…http://bit.ly/2YywXr I for one often confuse meals with tube trains.
WHampstead It’s the Wombles I’m worried about. They go Underground AND Overground! (@MsMarmitelover)
[email protected] Tell them to get over it and/or sod off! They are trying it on. Or, rename to: “I can’t believe it’s not The Underground!”
[email protected] You could go with “Subway”…
misswhiplash @MsMarmitelover It’s not like you’re opening up a rival subterranean tram system….
(Well funny she should say that…)
[email protected] When Harrods sued a Mr. Harrod in New Zealand, whole town changed name to Harrodsville. Need something to shame them to stop
[email protected] told by London Underground to change name of Underground Restaurant. Let’s sing this ditty in support http://bit.ly/AlfGx

And finally…[email protected] The cheek of people thinking that they can hold the rights to ordinary words! Underground belongs to us, it’s our word 9:54 PM Nov 19th

Recent posts

Book for my first supper club since the pandemic: Midsummer

May 19, 2022

caponata budget gourmet recipe pic: Kerstin Rodgers

Two delicious budget recipes for the cost of living crisis

May 13, 2022

budget gourmet recipes pic Kerstin Rodgers

Cost of living crisis: three gourmet dinner party recipes that serve 4, for around £2.50

May 6, 2022

Previous Post: « November: Ten Green Bottles and The Conversational
Next Post: Marmite stock »

Reader Interactions

Comments

  1. theundergroundrestaurant

    December 8, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    I had to delete the post and repost it as I think it was interfering with the feed.
    Here are all the comments from before:

    Anon:What a joke!

    ornette (http://ornette.livejournal.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Trademarking the underground":

    Ironically, this whole debacle is infinitely more damaging to London Underground's "brand" than the fact that there exists a restaurant whose name contains one of the words contained in the phrase "London Underground".

    Love the video.

    Anon: MsMarmitelover: @LambshankRdmptn any veggie pies?How come I don't get invited to any of these restaurant openings?
    because you're a cunt and nobody wants you ?
    just a guess.

    foodrambler has left a new comment on your post "Trademarking the underground":

    I thought your LT trademark row was just a joke born from the whole Warner Bros thing and have only just realised that it's not! This is truly insane.

    Rebecca has left a new comment on your post "Trademarking the underground":

    This is embarrassing. London Underground should be ashamed of themselves. I wonder if there is a sarcastic pun you can add on to the name of your existing restaurant to satisfy their requirements yet make them look even more silly at the same time!

    Reply
  2. theundergroundrestaurant

    December 8, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    JamaGenie has left a new comment on your post "Trademarking the underground":

    Ditto on "It's not a BRAND, it's a railroad"! Actually (on the days it runs) PUBLIC transportation.

    LT's legal department should be downsized and the millions saved applied to improving the SERVICE its CUSTOMERS are paying for, namely getting from Point A to Point B in a timely manner.
    Public
    Customers
    Service
    Timely

    Get it?

    James has left a new comment on your post "Trademarking the underground":

    What if you set up the restaurant in the underground? On a tube train like the amusing Youtube vid that was going around some time ago. There wouldn't be a problem with your landlord then either. Oh and less clearing up!

    @anonymous – have you got a name?

    Surely the underground get worst publicity from this than if they left it alone?

    EssexGourmet has left a new comment on your post "Trademarking the underground":

    I'm always interested in bashing the big boys who swing their hefty weight around…

    A quick look at the Companies House site shows there are multiple businesses using the name 'Underground,' many of which are food related.

    Perhaps LU's quibble is in the use of the trademark. Would registering 'The Underground Restaurant' as a business with companies house eliminate this I wonder??

    Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Trademarking the underground":

    Just what is wrong with you?

    You clearly have authority issues, but why does everything become an instant pugnacious legal battle and a blogging rant even when right is not on your side – your lease, Warner Brothers, infringement of copyright …

    Can't you just accept that you have to operate within the law, like everyone else in business?

    If you want legal protection – become a limited company, register a trademark, get a licence, pay some tax …

    The Curious Cat has left a new comment on your post "Trademarking the underground":

    Yikes, just catching up on all of this – it is pretty ridiculous…I bet they just did this for the free publicity on your site!!! I feel like letters like this are a clamp down on freedom…argh! I don't know what to say…I think it is petty of them really…seriously, seriously petty…So what have they asked you to do? Change it?

    The Curious Cat has left a new comment on your post "Trademarking the underground":

    PS Whoever wrote those mean comments anonymously has no backbone to show who they really are and must have inner issues – why such spite?! It doesn't say anything about MissMarmiteLover…it just suggests that they are not very nice people…and if they don't like this blog then can go take a long walk off a short pier and piss off! Excuse my french but seriously…if you haven't got something nice to say, don't say it at all…it isn't appreciated…

    Reply

Leave a Reply Cancel reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

Recipe Rating




Primary Sidebar

MsMarmiteLover aka Kerstin Rodgers.

Chef, photographer, author, journalist, blogger. Pioneer of the supperclub movement.

This is my food and travel blog, with recipes, reviews and travel stories. I also stray into politics, feminism, gardening.

Subscribe to my mailing list

msmarmitelover

Kerstin Rodgers/MsMarmiteLover
Me as a punk. #pinkhair @caplanmelissa Me as a punk. #pinkhair @caplanmelissa
Sniffin’ glue: Me n @Jaybladesmbe at the Loctite Sniffin’ glue: Me n @Jaybladesmbe at the Loctite pop up yesterday. I’m all about repairing and upcycling my brocante finds: this time a beautiful pale wood lamp shade stand which had broken off at the bottom. I’m going to rewire it with 2 core sky blue twisted fabric wire, pop on my hand sewn pleated lampshade I learnt to do @workshopminerva and it shall be beautiful. Don’t chuck out your chintz: repair it! #therepairshop #selfie #interiors #popup
in June I’m having my first supper club in two y in June I’m having my first supper club in two years: here is the link to book: https://msmarmitelover.com/product/midsommar-supper-club £50 18th June  Saturday night. Byo.
#chelseaflower coming up. Last year I bought these succulents and planted them in a vintage zinc garden sieve. Now they are flowering. My balcony is like a little greenhouse: I can grow aubergines & other plants that usually need to be under glass. #londongarden #may #plants #succulents in the garden
Lemon drizzle cake. The trick is not to stint on t Lemon drizzle cake. The trick is not to stint on the citrus. I used 7: 2 Italian lemons (from Lidl):some ordinary lemons and some limes (18p) at Lidl. Don’t be afraid to mix and match your citrus. I also used buttermilk from @fenfarmdairy in Suffolk from their honesty shop. Last night we ate it still warm from the oven. #cake #lemondrizzle #homebaking #citrus #buttermilk
A Simple tomato, goats cheese and basil salad, spa A Simple tomato, goats cheese and basil salad, spanking fresh asparagus / fried in olive oil, season, then add a little boiling water, not too much, put on the lid, dressed with lemon zest & Parmesan, @fenfarmdairy baron bigod cheese, good bread. This is how I like to eat. Claire’s plates found at the beccles brocante. #suffolk #suffolkfood #supper #dinnerwithfriends  #vintageplates
Can’t wait to see what they will be like when th Can’t wait to see what they will be like when they are fired. All my favourite themes: gingham and scallops. Thanks to @clairebelljar for a wonderful weekend and pottery workshop. Such fun! #workingwithyourhands #playtime #creativity #ceramics #pottery #suffolk
Making plates with talented potter & old South Ham Making plates with talented potter & old South Hampstead girl @clairebelljar in Suffolk. She has the most beautiful house I’ve ever seen. Such a joy to be reunited with her. #friendsreunited #makers #potters #scalloped #wildflowers #cowparsley #pottery
Another budget gourmet recipe, the Sicilian capona Another budget gourmet recipe, the Sicilian caponata, which is like a more interesting ratatouille, in which you add capers, olives & vinegar. £2.50p. I was asked to develop a series of recipes which were delicious enough to serve at a dinner party but also cheap. I shopped at Lidl. #costoflivingcrisis #budgetgourmet #recipe #vegetarian #vegan #lidluk
Mackerel pâté, a recipe that cost under £2.50. Mackerel pâté, a recipe that cost under £2.50. Lemon & herb smoked mackerel fillets from @lidl (take off skin)3 big scoops creme fraiche from Lidl and juice of half a lemon. Blend. Plenty of black pepper. Serve with bread. #budgetgourmet #costoflivingcrisis #eatorheat
Just wrote a very personal piece for @hamandhigh o Just wrote a very personal piece for @hamandhigh on my decade as a single parent on benefits, how I learned to cook & how things are so much harder now because not only are ingredients pricier but the cost of cooking them is too. 3 budget gourmet meals serving 4, for £2.50 each. #costoflivingcrisis #budgetgourmet #povertyshame #singleparents #foodblogger
Easter Sunday. Daffodil skeletons. Easter Sunday. Daffodil skeletons.
Just made @davidlebovitz recipe for blood orange u Just made @davidlebovitz recipe for blood orange upside down cake as I had some to use up. It tastes very marmeladey. Probably used too deep a pan. #sundaybaking #recipe #thelastofthebloodoranges #april #easter
Today learning how to build a dry stone wall in t Today  learning how to build a dry stone wall in the cotswolds which is famous for the picturesque walls & hedgerows. My teacher, Richard Gray, told us about the different stones: face, foundation, pin & coping. It is a mortal ( mortar?) sun to use cement on a dry stone wall- it means the stones can’t breathe. These walls last 100 years- they cost £300 a metre. A pro can build 3 metres a day. Richard once did a quote for kylie Minogue. His firm is Hillrise stonework. This course is run by @notgroveholidays There is a world championship for drystone walling. #craft #building #drystonewall #cotswolds #staycation
Ukrainian inspiration: cabbage rolls stuffed with Ukrainian inspiration: cabbage rolls stuffed with rice, mushrooms, garlic, dill. Baked with sauerkraut & mushroom stock for 1.5 hours. Delicious comfort food. #cookforukraine #vegetarian #cabbagerolls #sauerkraut #easterneuropeanfood
Getting there. Making a pleated lampshade for @sie Getting there. Making a pleated lampshade for @siennamarla’s living room. Fabric from @clothshoplondon training by @workshopminerva frame #making #craft #sewing #lampshade #interiors
Stuffed peppers with roasted buckwheat, feta, dill Stuffed peppers with roasted buckwheat, feta, dill and a sour cream, tomato & smoked paprika sauce. Kasha or buckwheat can be bought at polish shops. It’s a grain but full of protein. I did a recipe with it in v is for vegan - a stuffed cabbage. You can buy plain or roasted. #cookforukraine #buckwheat #kasha #stuffedpeppers #vegetarian #visforvegan
Ukrainian quick cucumber pickles dipped in honey. Ukrainian quick cucumber pickles dipped in honey. Strangely addictive. Recipe from next weeks column in the ham and high. #cookforukraine #supperclub #slavaukraini #pickles #dronedowner #ukraine #recipe
An etched glass window in my bathroom to replace t An etched glass window in my bathroom to replace the very fashionable fluted glass I had. Thing is this glass works better in a flat dated 1906. Glass by @baronglass  #interiors #etchedglass #bathroom #trellis #londonflat
Making Ukrainian Easter bread, with sour cherries Making Ukrainian Easter bread, with sour cherries and saffron, adapted from a recipe in Mamushka by Ukrainian chef @oliahercules #slavaukraini #easter #baking #sour #sourcherries #supperclub
Making some Ukrainian inspired recipes for my next Making some Ukrainian inspired recipes for my next column. Quick pickled mini cucumbers & a herring, Granny Smith & egg salad from Black Sea by @edentravels on the way is the Ukrainian Easter bread by @oliahercules and in the oven are roasted kasha (buckwheat)stuffed peppers with a sour cream, paprika & tomato sauce by me. I’ve only been to Kyiv as a stopover on the way to Georgia but I’ve done various Eastern European influenced supper clubs in the past. Maybe I should do a Ukrainian one as a fundraiser? #slavaukraini #supperclub #sunflowerseeds&hope #stopthewar #blue&yellow
Load More... Follow on Instagram

Archives

Copyright © 2022 msmarmitelover